pathetic piss kitten (@kitten)

pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat

kinda surprising that there's underdeveloped countries with DSL deployments rather than fiber

like, is it any cheaper really? the equipment might be more expensive but like. you have to be sending voltage of your own through the lines for DSL. and fiber cables are dirt cheap compared to copper.

it doesn't feel like it's a matter of "we already had a big copper deployment and can't do a big investment now". I guess DSL it's easier to maintain tho?

Klaus Frank @agowa338@chaos.social

@kitten depends on other infrastructure. Do you have power? Do you already have telephone lines?

If telephone lines already exist than deploying DSL is faster than having to put fiber lines into the earth first.

And if there is no power then DSL with phone lines is also easier as you can power at least telephones using the line directly and use e.g. solar for where you want to have internet.

Besides DSL is way harder to maintain. Well compared to a purely fiber infrastructure at least...

Alba 🌸

@mildsunrise@tech.lgbt

@kitten in one you're sending your own voltage and in the other you're sending your own light, no? what matters is which % of the power you send (electrical or optical) is lost per meter (which is way way lower for fiber, yes)

Alba 🌸

@mildsunrise@tech.lgbt

@kitten in fact i think in fiber you lose much more power in interconnections than in a fair distance of propagation, for fiber at least

Alba 🌸

@mildsunrise@tech.lgbt

@kitten but still the power you spend counteracting the medium losses is tiny in both cases, you'd need a lot of time for that difference alone to justify buying new equipment

pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat

@mildsunrise according to Telefonica it does save quite a bit of power

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telefonica.com/es/sala-comunicacion/reportes/apagado-red-cobre/amp/

Alba 🌸

@mildsunrise@tech.lgbt

@kitten hmm first of all here they're talking about turning off not just the DSL but the POTS service, so that's additional savings. the act of migrating people to VoIP (so you can turn off the POTS network) can be done over DSL just like it can be done over fiber

Alba 🌸

@mildsunrise@tech.lgbt

@kitten hmm they give no concrete figures in the article. to me it still seems like the cost of sending energy through the medium for e.g. a year seems pretty small compared to the cost of buying the equipment, and the cost of housing and maintaining it (any kind of equipment)

pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat

@mildsunrise well, technically in fiber you're sending half the power (I'm thinking from the ISP's perspective)

Alba 🌸

@mildsunrise@tech.lgbt

@kitten I'm not following (?)

pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat

@mildsunrise the other half is sent by the subscriber (and the electricity to generate it is paid by them)

Alba 🌸

@mildsunrise@tech.lgbt

@kitten and in DSL it's different?

Ellenor Bjornsdottir

neoficiala_flago_de_angllandaj_esperantistoj

@ellenor@bv.umbrellix.org

@kitten it’s posible that the equipment is on firesale in the first world #lang_en