fedi likes to pretend it's better than other social medias but I'm literally watching a tumblr mspec lesbian-esque discourse taking form with "afab transfem"
@puppygirlhornypost2 it is in our best interests to keep our labels from being appropriated so we don't get erased by the people who should really fucking be on our side, yes.
@mira i legitimately have only met one or two people using that label and as i said the person was intersex, primarily raised as a man and still produced testosterone and therefore had almost no breast development. they had to take hrt (prog + est) and then they got breast development. i mean you could go off of the afab thing and assume or...
@mira I am also not sure if we can accuse women of appropriating us since transmisogyny is a problem that impacts women as a whole. www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1lcs5m9/im_being_transvestigated_and_it_sucks/ I have sent my mother things like this in concern of my sister because if she was accused of being trans it'd ruin her life. The scrutiny any afab faces over slightly masculine presenting features... Like
@mira I'm not saying that cis women are targeted at the same level, but it's definitely impacting them too. I don't think that whether or not AFAB folk take the label of transfem is a good gauge of whether they're appropriating transmisogyny. I'd understand if it were someone who had a ton of privilege and never faced discrimination in their life... but considering the fact that people's entire careers are being upturned based on bogus allegations of being trans...
@mira He's a victim of homophobia even as a cishet. I mean, I know countless people who were bullied about being effeminate, and therefore, they had to be gay. I'm not saying in this case it would make sense for him to call himself gay. I'm trying to point out that AFABs do experience transmisogyny to an extent, and they don't have to put themselves under the transfem label for that to be valid. There's no incentive for people to go under the transfem label just to get transmisogyny acknowledged. I'm trying to state that the people I know who are AFAB transfem did not use that label just so they can claim to share our experiences. My friend legitimately had to start hormone therapy because they were still producing testosterone within the internal testes. For them to not use the label of "transfem" would be directly erasing the experiences they faced with HRT and their transition.
@mira And the rhetoric of "AFAB can't be transfem" is harmful because it erases the pain they had to go through living as a man in their childhood because of their parents making that choice for them. I don't think it's fair to police that label especially blindly without context. If you can show me a cishet woman claiming to be transfem just so she can fit into the queer community yeah I'd probably agree that's appropriation. I'm not going to make a blanket statement saying all uses of transfem from an AFAB individual is appropriation, though.
(edit: I realize that I don't know if the doctor made that choice, I do know they were raised as a man but I have no idea if their original birth marker was M. I know it's currently F)
@puppygirlhornypost2@mira we are clearly just not talking about the same thing here. nobody would reasonably say that someone who was treated as a man and had to access feminizing HRT to transition is not transfem, none of us being demonized over this shit are out there going after intersex people with unusual histories. that is not the same thing as “all feminine trans people are transfem”
@puppygirlhornypost2@mira did a transfem actually exclude an intersex person to start this discourse or was it just transmascs riling people up over hypothetical erasure by transfems again?
far more often, I see posts like this one, and then when confronted about them, the poster motte-and-baileys back into "so you don't think intersex transfems are valid then?": anarres.family/@SymTrkl/114814977747480381
(a bit off-topic but: how is that person making that argument with that meme, the whole thing was that that guy was a scammer, I'd even boost that post interpreting it as "saying that sarcastically")
