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pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat
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no matter how many times I configure it, the clock on the oven is always wrong ​:blobwtfnotlikethis:​
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Fiona @airtower@woem.men
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@kitten How stable is the power grid in your area? I've heard some appliances use the AC frequency for clock speed, and if it's not stable they'll drift. neocat_think
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pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat
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@airtower I mean

I'm in the European synchronous thingie

I think it's more "someone turned off the power", since it's off by like hours
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Fiona @airtower@woem.men
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@kitten Oh, yes, with hours off that seems way more likely. Or an outage. neocat_laugh_sweat
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erincandescent ⎔ @erincandescent@erincandescent.net
1y
@airtower @kitten frequency will be the same across the entire European Synchronous Grid
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Fiona @airtower@woem.men
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@erincandescent @kitten But it's not always exactly 50Hz, there's some tolerance. For most devices it doesn't matter if it's say 49.95Hz, but if it stays low for a while a device that bases its clock frequency on AC frequency will slowly drift.
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erincandescent ⎔ @erincandescent@erincandescent.net
1y
@airtower @kitten over the long term the grid operators put serious effort into keeping the frequency 50Hz precisely so clocks don't drift
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Fiona @airtower@woem.men
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@erincandescent @kitten True. A while ago (might've been a year or two) I read reports about that not quite working for a few months though. Haven't heard anything like that recently, but it came to mind with the clock being weirdly off.
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Luna R @lunarood@mastodon.gamedev.place
1y
@airtower @erincandescent @kitten the thing is that the tolerances are non-cumulative. For example, if the frequency is too low for a while, it should become too high for a while to compensate. The number of cycles over time should not drift.
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erincandescent ⎔ @erincandescent@erincandescent.net
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@lunarood @airtower @kitten there were a few months a few years back where the entire grid ran slow (due to lack of generation in the Serbia/Kosovo area) and when they resolved the problem they still ran the grid fast for a few months to get everyones clocks back in sync
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Luna R @lunarood@mastodon.gamedev.place
1y
@erincandescent @kitten @airtower yep, exactly! This stuff is tracked really closely.
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Fiona @airtower@woem.men
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@erincandescent @lunarood @kitten Thanks, I didn't know they did a catch-up phase there, rather than just restoring the correct frequency. neocat_floof
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Luna R @lunarood@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@airtower @erincandescent @kitten yeah, they do! It's actually quite cool 😃

The most important part isn't really the momentary frequency, but rather the absolute number of cycles over time. Most AC equipment isn't narrowly tuned and can tolerate a decent range of frequencies. As long as the grid frequency is vaguely around nominal, everything works fine.

So there is a momentary frequency tolerance, to give some operational allowance, but the cumulative drift is required to be effectively zero.
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Luna R @lunarood@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@airtower @erincandescent @kitten if you want to know more, Wikipedia has an overview of some of the used approaches here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_frequency#Time_error_correction_(TEC)

That should give a decent starting point if you're into the nerdy details 😄
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Luna R @lunarood@mastodon.gamedev.place
1y
@airtower @kitten honestly, it's really frustrating how many appliances are designed with a crappy oscillator for timekeeping, when a stable clock signal is right there already!
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pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat
1y
I'm starting to see one (1) vamos reason to connect all my appliances to the internet
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Luna R @lunarood@mastodon.gamedev.place
1y
@kitten I'd say that rather sounds like a reason to host an NTP server! 😁

No need to connect your appliances to the internet that way. And if you get a little GPS, you can set up a stratum 1 server, so that you don't need internet at all!
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