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pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat
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but like

isn't sign language also different depending on the place? there's people who read English Sign Language but not English?
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Transbian_Arsonists (Seraphine) @Transbian_Arsonists@catwithaclari.net
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@kitten yeah its british sign language, on the british signs

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Transbian_Arsonists (Seraphine) @Transbian_Arsonists@catwithaclari.net
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@kitten this is actually more universal regionally ironically, given that theres 3 written languages in britain but only one sign language

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pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat
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@Transbian_Arsonists huh

that's interesting ​:neocat_think:​
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luna aria ielenia @ielenia@ck.catwithaclari.net
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minor nitpick @kitten isnt it BSL (British) over there?
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luna aria ielenia @ielenia@ck.catwithaclari.net
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@kitten I am also quite perplexed about this whole thing too
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Transbian_Arsonists (Seraphine) @Transbian_Arsonists@catwithaclari.net
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@ielenia @kitten i dont really get whats confusing

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luna aria ielenia @ielenia@ck.catwithaclari.net
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@Transbian_Arsonists @kitten why BSL would be necessary when it's already up there in text form
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Transbian_Arsonists (Seraphine) @Transbian_Arsonists@catwithaclari.net
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@ielenia @kitten its translating the voice announcements not the sign, although deaf people are more likely to be illiterate too

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pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat
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@Transbian_Arsonists @ielenia OH

okay that makes a lot of sense
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luna aria ielenia @ielenia@ck.catwithaclari.net
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@Transbian_Arsonists @kitten ok fair but this is why most other places just put the announcements up as text, which also benefits people with auditory processing or hearing issues who otherwise don't know sign language, e.g. me or my deaf partner who doesnt know ASL
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Transbian_Arsonists (Seraphine) @Transbian_Arsonists@catwithaclari.net
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@ielenia @kitten they do, they just have 4 options now, "read the board, read the transcription, listen to the audio, or listen to the signer"

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Transbian_Arsonists (Seraphine) @Transbian_Arsonists@catwithaclari.net
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@ielenia @kitten now if a deaf person has difficulty reading they can just look at the bsl, deaf people are much more likely to get a lackluster education so theres probably a lot of people who wouldnt be able to read the transcriptions fast enough, i knew plenty of people at school who couldnt read at speaking speed.

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m.c. C-27733 [lily] neobot neodog asan_green @minekpo1@catgirl.cloud
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unit @Transbian_Arsonists , unit @ielenia , mx @kitten : iirc deaf people who were deaf from birth , even if they are literate , have a sign language as their first language , with the written/spoken language as their second (idk about BSL but ASL has grammar differences from English for example) , so even then it might be useful . IIRC learned that from Trash Discourse (youtube.com) (though all their videos are gone for some reason ?)
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Transbian_Arsonists (Seraphine) @Transbian_Arsonists@catwithaclari.net
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@minekpo1 @ielenia @kitten yeah this is all true, bsl naturally has grammar differnces from english, its a completely unrelated language to english so there arent that many similarities

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Transbian_Arsonists (Seraphine) @Transbian_Arsonists@catwithaclari.net
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@ielenia @minekpo1 @kitten although
have a sign language as their first language
there are deaf people with no first language sometimes

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pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat
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minor nitpick @ielenia oh no idea. I just took what I know from the name of the Spanish Sign Language. but that'd make sense, yes
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erinfluorescent ✨ @erinfluorescent@erincandescent.net
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minor nitpick @kitten @ielenia sign languages are regional in ways which differ from spoken languages. British and American sign are actually unrelated.

Likewise German Sign (which nearly went extinct) and Austrian Sign are from different families
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yuki - queen of the snow @yukijoou@fedi.kemonomimi.gay
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@kitten while d/Deaf people can (mostly) read English/any written language they've learned, many consider sign language their L1 (native language), due to learning it before written language. i don't know about british sign language, but in many sign languages, sentence structures and vocabulary can be different to the local spoken/written language(s), making it easier to understand for d/Deaf people

-- at least according to my accessibility classes, i'm not deaf myself and none of the people i'm close to currently are either
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pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat
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@yukijoou oh, that makes sense, true.

if I may ask, what's the difference between the "D" capitalization thing?
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pathetic piss kitten @kitten@elizabeth.cat
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well I guess if they've done it it's because it'd make sense
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icanchangethisnamelater neofox_flag_lesbian @icantchangethisname@mk.absturztau.be
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@kitten you expect uk train companies to make sense?
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